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Viki {{sc|( | Viki {{sc|(V)}}, | ||
Howard {{sc|( | Howard {{sc|(H)}}, | ||
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=== Introduction{{su|( | === Introduction{{su|(S)}} === | ||
* Karl Marx railed against the prevailing wisdom. He believed man innately productive and individualistic. Man would naturally work for the common good. He saw work as a source of joy and freedom. | * Karl Marx railed against the prevailing wisdom. He believed man innately productive and individualistic. Man would naturally work for the common good. He saw work as a source of joy and freedom. | ||
* Inequality tends to arise, but not inevitably. He believed capitalism causes that inequality; it creates classes, and class divisions. ''False consciousness'' emerges, he believed—the ways in which material, ideological, and institutional processes are said to mislead members of the proletariat within capitalist societies, concealing their exploitation and intrinsic inequality. | * Inequality tends to arise, but not inevitably. He believed capitalism causes that inequality; it creates classes, and class divisions. ''False consciousness'' emerges, he believed—the ways in which material, ideological, and institutional processes are said to mislead members of the proletariat within capitalist societies, concealing their exploitation and intrinsic inequality. | ||
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=== Discussion === | === Discussion === | ||
==== Marx's notion of alienation in today's world ==== | ==== Marx's notion of alienation in today's world ==== | ||
* Why did Marx believe that the solution to alienation was the abolition of all private possessions? Surely that causes alienation?{{su|( | * Why did Marx believe that the solution to alienation was the abolition of all private possessions? Surely that causes alienation?{{su|(G)}} | ||
* Marx believed the absence of private property would be overcome through collaboration.{{su|( | * Marx believed the absence of private property would be overcome through collaboration.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* Workers had to work harder to compete with cheap competition. Work became more boring. | * Workers had to work harder to compete with cheap competition. Work became more boring. | ||
* 1848 was a year of huge upheaval across the world.{{su|( | * 1848 was a year of huge upheaval across the world.{{su|(M)}} | ||
* Companies need to recognise the symptoms of ''dislocation''. The effects on the displaced indigenous people can include alcoholism and suicide.{{su|( | * Companies need to recognise the symptoms of ''dislocation''. The effects on the displaced indigenous people can include alcoholism and suicide.{{su|(R)}} | ||
* The alienation from nature which occurred when workers moved into the towns was a huge psychological loss.{{su|( | * The alienation from nature which occurred when workers moved into the towns was a huge psychological loss.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* Marx had a vision for returning people to the countryside.{{su|( | * Marx had a vision for returning people to the countryside.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* Agricultural workers may have a job for only six months of the year. If they move to the cities, they may have a job the entire year.{{su|( | * Agricultural workers may have a job for only six months of the year. If they move to the cities, they may have a job the entire year.{{su|(V)}} | ||
* But there is huge rural poverty today.{{su|( | * But there is huge rural poverty today.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* William Morris was a proto-Marxist, and did much to foster socialism in the UK. He said: 'Have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful.'{{su|( | * William Morris was a proto-Marxist, and did much to foster socialism in the UK. He said: 'Have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful.'{{su|(D)}} | ||
==== Do we have the economy that Marx predicted?==== | ==== Do we have the economy that Marx predicted?==== | ||
* The middle class has grown beyond Marx's expectations.{{su|( | * The middle class has grown beyond Marx's expectations.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* Marx thought that eventually everyone would become bourgeois.{{su|( | * Marx thought that eventually everyone would become bourgeois.{{su|(R)}} | ||
* Revolution would give everyone the leisure and freedom to go out into the countryside, Marx believed.{{su|( | * Revolution would give everyone the leisure and freedom to go out into the countryside, Marx believed.{{su|(R)}} | ||
* In practice, in a world where good work is not better rewarded, some workers will become lazy, others will become leaders.{{su|( | * In practice, in a world where good work is not better rewarded, some workers will become lazy, others will become leaders.{{su|(V)}} | ||
* Employers recognised that workers needed to have enough money to buy what was being produced.{{su|( | * Employers recognised that workers needed to have enough money to buy what was being produced.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* And this system generated the ''American Dream''.{{su|( | * And this system generated the ''American Dream''.{{su|(R)}} | ||
* Employers recognised that they needed a healthy workforce and took steps to encourage that.{{su|( | * Employers recognised that they needed a healthy workforce and took steps to encourage that.{{su|(V)}} | ||
* But company towns like Port Sunlight, where pubs could be banned, gave bosses more control.{{su|( | * But company towns like Port Sunlight, where pubs could be banned, gave bosses more control.{{su|(R)}} | ||
* But people want the right to get drunk. Not everyone wants another Singapore.{{su|( | * But people want the right to get drunk. Not everyone wants another Singapore.{{su|(L)}} | ||
* But there were down sides too: the zenith of the American Dream coincided with J Edgar Hoover and investigations into unAmerican activities. In Britain the ''Prevent'' programme is to be extended to socialism and anti-fascist activity.{{su|( | * But there were down sides too: the zenith of the American Dream coincided with J Edgar Hoover and investigations into unAmerican activities. In Britain the ''Prevent'' programme is to be extended to socialism and anti-fascist activity.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* Thatcher made us all mini-capitalists through share ownership of public utilities in the 1980s. Did we join the bourgeoisie?{{su|( | * Thatcher made us all mini-capitalists through share ownership of public utilities in the 1980s. Did we join the bourgeoisie?{{su|(G)}} | ||
==== Is class struggle at the root of society's ills?==== | ==== Is class struggle at the root of society's ills?==== | ||
* Marx wanted Russia to become a communist state, but recognised that the transformation needed to be kicked off.{{su|( | * Marx wanted Russia to become a communist state, but recognised that the transformation needed to be kicked off.{{su|(M)}} | ||
* The revolution was kicked off by intellectuals, but it was hijacked by a small number of individuals at the top.{{su|( | * The revolution was kicked off by intellectuals, but it was hijacked by a small number of individuals at the top.{{su|(M)}} | ||
* The French Revolution destroyed much of the establishment fabric of France, including the Church, but it later took Napoleon to build a new structure and processes for the country.{{su|( | * The French Revolution destroyed much of the establishment fabric of France, including the Church, but it later took Napoleon to build a new structure and processes for the country.{{su|(M)}} | ||
* Marx thought England was ripe for revolution.{{su|( | * Marx thought England was ripe for revolution.{{su|(M)}} | ||
* Marx was bemused that revolution didn't happen in England. Perhaps the structure of the state was too powerful here.{{su|( | * Marx was bemused that revolution didn't happen in England. Perhaps the structure of the state was too powerful here.{{su|(R)}} | ||
* Perhaps the folk memory of the Civil War, two centuries earlier, gave the population the feeling that "We’ve been there; we've done that". | * Perhaps the folk memory of the Civil War, two centuries earlier, gave the population the feeling that "We’ve been there; we've done that". | ||
* Should the change be achieved through gradualism or revolution? Marx thought it had to be revolution. And it had to be bottom up.{{su|( | * Should the change be achieved through gradualism or revolution? Marx thought it had to be revolution. And it had to be bottom up.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* The ''Communist Manifesto'' was written during the colonial era, but it is still relevant. The trades unions stopped revolution happening in the UK by obtaining power for the workers.{{su|( | * The ''Communist Manifesto'' was written during the colonial era, but it is still relevant. The trades unions stopped revolution happening in the UK by obtaining power for the workers.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* The Industrial Revolution made workers wealthy.{{su|( | * The Industrial Revolution made workers wealthy.{{su|(V)}} | ||
* There are now Marxist interpretations of many subjects, including economic geography.{{su|( | * There are now Marxist interpretations of many subjects, including economic geography.{{su|(R)}} | ||
* Women drew the short straw. The trades unions have historically been terrible for ignoring women. In Japan, women are now refusing to have children because they want a career.{{su|( | * Women drew the short straw. The trades unions have historically been terrible for ignoring women. In Japan, women are now refusing to have children because they want a career.{{su|(L)}} | ||
* Marx thought women should be in the home.{{su|( | * Marx thought women should be in the home.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* Ludicrously in the 1970s, Sainsbury's didn't employ women in buying, even though they were by far the biggest shoppers.{{su|( | * Ludicrously in the 1970s, Sainsbury's didn't employ women in buying, even though they were by far the biggest shoppers.{{su|(L)}} | ||
==== Is capitalism in crisis? ==== | ==== Is capitalism in crisis? ==== | ||
* There are now more guns than people in the USA. The ''London Review of Books'' suggests that it is too late to control guns in America. Gun purchase is another example of consumerism.{{su|( | * There are now more guns than people in the USA. The ''London Review of Books'' suggests that it is too late to control guns in America. Gun purchase is another example of consumerism.{{su|(L)}} | ||
* Bernie Sanders is a rare breed in the USA in calling himself a socialist. He uses a different terminology to Marx, but hesays similar things.{{su|( | * Bernie Sanders is a rare breed in the USA in calling himself a socialist. He uses a different terminology to Marx, but hesays similar things.{{su|(R)}} | ||
==== Is there an opportunity today for workers to have more leisure and freedom? ==== | ==== Is there an opportunity today for workers to have more leisure and freedom? ==== | ||
* The unions were also a means of educating the workers.{{su|( | * The unions were also a means of educating the workers.{{su|(A)}} | ||
==== Is capitalism is bad for us psychologically and morally? ==== | ==== Is capitalism is bad for us psychologically and morally? ==== | ||
* Plato had an early concept of the division of labour: the potter should be the potter etc.{{su|( | * Plato had an early concept of the division of labour: the potter should be the potter etc.{{su|(L)}} | ||
* China tried to eliminate the population's awareness of its past, to avoid its citizens applying Marx’s views on historical determinism.{{su|( | * China tried to eliminate the population's awareness of its past, to avoid its citizens applying Marx’s views on historical determinism.{{su|(A)}} | ||
==== Other topics touched on ==== | ==== Other topics touched on ==== |
Latest revision as of 11:51, 7 March 2025
The Wells School of Philosophy
Roll Call![]() 19th March 2024, Hare Lane, 1000-1200 hrs: Tutors: Linda (L), Steve (S) Pupils: John (J), Patricia (P), Alexis (A), David (D), Margie (M), Viki (V), Howard (H), Ray (R) Scribe: Gavin (G) Apologies: Colin (C) The homework setWe agreed that at our next meeting we would discuss the philosophy of Karl Marx. In some ways Rousseau and Marx have similar approaches: both rail against some prevailing wisdom.
This idea underlies Marx's whole philosophy: that he, as a philosopher, is not just there to interpret the world but also to change it. Marx propounds the theory of historical materialism: economics and socially based, as opposed to Rousseau's take which is more psychological/anthropological. Both these philosophers give us the opportunity to get the benefits of the synergy that philosophy generates when combined with other disciplines. There is a star-studded cast for a BBC In Our Time on Marx, well worth a listen as an introduction: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p003k9jg Also a good 10-minute YouTube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQgCy_iIcc When you're listening keep thinking about what might be relevant today with our increasingly unequal, divided, societies. How can society be changed for the better to generate freedom and equality. The IOT should have give you a reasonable overview of his work, and the YouTube video may have whetted your appetite to dig a bit deeper in some particularly interesting areas. If it has you might like to google topics such as:
Some questions you could start to focus on as you reflect and research:
Plenary SessionIntroduction(S)
DiscussionMarx's notion of alienation in today's world
Do we have the economy that Marx predicted?
Is class struggle at the root of society's ills?
Is capitalism in crisis?
Is there an opportunity today for workers to have more leisure and freedom?
Is capitalism is bad for us psychologically and morally?
Other topics touched on
Books Referenced:
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