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=== Discussion === | === Discussion === | ||
==== Hegel’s Theories ==== | |||
* Hegel is horrible to read.{{su|(L)}} | * Hegel is horrible to read.{{su|(L)}} | ||
* Hegel left us various soundbites.{{su|(P)}} | * Hegel left us various soundbites.{{su|(P)}} | ||
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* Marx was much more materialistic than Hegel.{{su|(S)}} | * Marx was much more materialistic than Hegel.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* Russell wrote that Hegel had a poor understanding of history. | * Russell wrote that Hegel had a poor understanding of history. | ||
* | * The progress of history is 'crablike', Hegel said.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* Hegel believed we should learn from ideas we dislike.{{su|(L)}} | * Hegel believed we should learn from ideas we dislike.{{su|(L)}} | ||
*:Definition: ''teleological'' relates to the doctrine of design and purpose in the material world. | *:Definition: ''teleological'' relates to the doctrine of design and purpose in the material world. | ||
* Hegel's idea of 'spirit' seems to be a recourse to religiosity.{{su|(R)}} | * Hegel's idea of 'spirit' seems to be a recourse to religiosity.{{su|(R)}} | ||
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* Hegel didn’t value the individual, but instead the collective.{{su|(A)}} | * Hegel didn’t value the individual, but instead the collective.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* The inscription at the temple of Apollo in Delphi was 'Know thyself.'{{su|(R)}} | * The inscription at the temple of Apollo in Delphi was 'Know thyself.'{{su|(R)}} | ||
** You’ve got to take into account where you live, too.{{su|(J)}} | |||
* He lived through a period of immense change, witnessing the Terror and Napoleon's conquest, for example. The authorities didn’t like all his writings. French revolutionaries wanted to protect their revolution.{{su|(M)}} | |||
* Perhaps today’s social media is a manifestation of Hegel’s theory of interconnectedness.{{su|(A)}} | |||
==== Dialectics ==== | |||
* The current Trumpian era is the antithesis of the progress civilization has enjoyed in recent years. | |||
* Jose Mourinho has frequently quoted Hegel on the truth, particularly the idea that "the truth is in the whole.{{su|(S)}} | |||
* How does Hegel's dialectic process compare with Socratic dialogue?{{su|(S)}} | |||
* Dialectic doesn’t necessarily mean a chain of questioning.{{su|(L)}} | |||
* Socrates' target was often the Sophists.{{su|(S)}} | |||
* In most of their discussions, Glaucon eventually agreed to Socrates' point.{{su|(L)}} | |||
* The conflict resolution book{{su|[2]}} by Fisher and Ury was used at Camp David.{{su|(S)}} | |||
* The important thing in large political problems may be the process, not the goal, because over time the goal will change.{{su|(A)}} | |||
* Hegel's fruit tree metaphor illustrates his philosophy of history as a dialectical process, where each stage (buds, blossoms, fruit) is essential for the whole, and the final stage (fruit) reveals the true purpose of the tree.{{su|(S)}} | |||
==== Government ==== | |||
* Do we now need new institutions to cope with the Supreme Court ruling on what a woman is?{{su|(S)}} | |||
* The House of Lords doesn’t work, along with several other institutions.{{su|(A)}} | |||
* We need to adapt rather than ditch our imperfect organisations.{{su|(S)}} | |||
* We have had poor quality government for many years.{{su|(R)}} | |||
* Is that a criticism of civil servants?{{su|(D)}} | |||
* Good points were made in parliament during the Brexit debates, but was not reported by news providers.{{su|(A)}} | |||
* Parliamentary select committees often present high quality debate.{{su|(D)}} | |||
* Media played a role in this. No other MEP apart from Farage appeared on Radio Four's ''Question Time''.{{su|(L)}} | |||
* The European Research Group never generated a single piece of research.{{su|(R)}} | |||
* Hegel said there is something in nationalism.{{su|(S)}} | |||
====The World ==== | |||
* Internationalisation happened before globalisation. It generated greater trade volumes than the early days of globalisation.{{su|(R)}} | |||
* Germany realised it didn’t have any colonies so went about trying to acquire them.{{su|(M)}} | |||
* Global corporations now undermine nation-states. Trump now imitating a backlash.{{su|(S)}} | |||
* Corporations now know what they need better than nation-states.{{su|(A)}} | |||
Germany realised it didn’t have any colonies so went about trying to acquire them. | |||
==== Hegel and Trump ==== | |||
* Would Marx be saying that the mayhem unleashed by Trump signals the collapse of capitalism?{{su|(S)}} | |||
* Some good emerged after the Second World War, in particular the United Nations and GATT. Trump is undermining all of this.{{su|(D)}} | |||
* And Trump is now attacking the Federal Reserve.{{su|(R)}} | |||
* So many organisations believe Trump is wrong, so Trump is trying to weaken his many enemies.{{su|(G)}} | |||
* Trump is acting as a demagogue.{{su|(R)}} | |||
* It's the weakness of the US presidential system which has allowed Trump to behave as a king.{{su|(A)}} | |||
====Fragments ==== | |||
* Copies of the Beveridge Report were found in Hitler's bunker in Berlin.{{su|(S)}} | |||
* Leonard Bernstein famously conducted two concerts in Berlin in 1989, to celebrate the fall of the Berlin Wall. The concerts featured Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, with the lyrics to the "Ode to Joy" altered to "Ode to Freedom" in the final movement.{{su|(J)}} | |||
* In Texas, despite Trump, there has been more recent investment in green energy than in fossil fuels.{{su|(S)}} | |||
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==== | ==== Book and film referenced ==== | ||
* [1] 'The Penguin Lessons' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjEXNX1nSA | * [1] 'The Penguin Lessons' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjEXNX1nSA | ||
* [2] {{bookref|<!-- Author --> Roger Fisher and William Ury| <!-- Title -->'Getting to Yes'|<!-- Publisher -->Random House|<!-- Year of Publication -->1982|<!-- City of Publication -->}} | |||
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Latest revision as of 14:14, 23 April 2025
The Wells School of Philosophy
Roll Call22nd April 2024, Hare Lane, 1000-1200 hrs: Tutors: Linda (L), Steve (S) Pupils: Alexis (A), David (D), John (J), Margie (M) Patricia (P), Ray (R), Robin (ℜ) Scribe: Gavin (G) Apologies: Colin (C), Howard (H), Viki (V) The homework setIf you haven’t already, do have a look at this School Of Life video about Hegel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5JGE3lhuNo I was somewhat heartened by the proposition made in it that Hegel was a terrible writer, as before looking at this I really hadn’t got a handle on him.(LINDA) The five main ideas of Hegel outlined in this video all have great relevance to modern problems and how to view them in a way that is not demoralising. I think looking at each of these would be a useful structure for our discussion on Tuesday. There are hints here of the pendulum of history that Howard has mentioned. Quick Summary from Gemini, the AI tool, on the relevance of Hegel to todayHegel, a towering figure in Western philosophy, remains surprisingly relevant in the 21st century for a multitude of reasons: 1. The Dialectical Method:
2. Understanding History and Progress:
3. The Importance of Recognition:
4. Holism and Interconnectedness:
5. Influence on Subsequent Thought:
6. Debates in Ethics and Politics:
7. Understanding Modernity:
SummaryHowever, it's also important to note some criticisms and complexities:
In conclusion, while Hegel might seem like a philosopher of the past, his ideas continue to offer valuable frameworks for understanding the complexities of the present. His emphasis on dialectics, history, recognition, and interconnectedness, along with his profound influence on subsequent thought, ensures his enduring relevance to contemporary philosophical, social, and political discussions. DiscussionHegel’s Theories
Dialectics
Government
The World
Hegel and Trump
Fragments
Book and film referenced
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