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=== October 2025===
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{{source|Claygate Courier, October 2025 issue, page 2}}
===September 2025 ===
{{Minute-ext|<!--- 1. Meeting Date --->25th September 2025|<!--- 2. Council or Committee meeting --->Parish Council meeting|<!--- 3. Item Number --->21|<!--- 4. Agenda --->To discuss if there are any further updates on the Torrington Lodge Consultation.|<!--- 5. Content --->Cllr Bray noted that, at the last EBC/CPC liaison meeting, Suzanne Parkes had told us that &mdash; following the tender process of which we had been informed some time ago &mdash; EBC had appointed an architect to examine the following four options:<br>100% Residential<br>Gym and Residential<br>Shopping and Residential<br>Health Centre and Residential
The architects are due to present their report to EBC in mid-October. After EBC have digested it, they will forward us a copy for our review and comments. We will be looking to obtain the report in October which we will then review and respond to with our comments.  To be discussed further at the November meeting.
{{hi|ACTION – Clerk to add the Torrington Lodge Car Park update to the agenda of the November meeting. '''[[C㉕060]]'''}}
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== May 2025==
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=== February 2025 ===
{{Minute-ext|<!--- 1. Meeting Date --->3rd February 2025|<!--- 2. Council or Committee meeting --->EBC-CPC liaison meeting|<!--- 3. Item Number --->5|<!--- 4. Agenda --->Torrington [Lodge Car Park] Consultations|<!--- 5. Content --->Dawn Crewe (DC) confirmed that from the four car parks that were being considered for possible development opportunities, only Torrington [Lodge] was proceeding at this time. She also said that a decision would need to be made this year, otherwise this would be on hold until the Unitary councils come into effect.}}
== December 2024 ==
{{Minute-ext|<!--- 1. Meeting Date --->5th December 2024|<!--- 2. Council or Committee meeting --->Parish Council meeting|<!--- 3. Item Number --->23|<!--- 4. Agenda --->To discuss a scenario for the consultation on Torrington Lodge Car Park (TLCP) which has been suggested.|<!--- 5. Content --->Cllr Holt spoke with the owners of the chemist on The Parade while discussing the bench. He is interested in acquiring larger premises. He asked about the EBC consultation re TLCP. He made a suggestion that a chemist could be incorporated into a health hub somewhat like that at Cobham Day Centre. The doctors' surgery was also keen on this idea, he said, and had asked if he would be interested in representing the parties. This would not involve moving the surgery but operating daycare services from this site. This is something to consider in 2025 during the EBC consultation on TLCP but would need backing from the Integrated Care Board.}}
== October 2024 ==
{{Minute-ext|<!--- 1. Meeting Date --->10th October 2024|<!--- 2. Council or Committee meeting --->Parish Council meeting|<!--- 3. Item Number --->10|<!--- 4. Agenda --->To receive an update from ''Claygate The Way Forward'' (CTWF) on the meeting held on 25th September.|<!--- 5. Content --->Cllr Bray noted that the main point of this meeting was that Dawn Crewe had undertaken to launch a piece of work&mdash;to be distinct and separate from the current “New Vision for Claygate” work&mdash;to develop and promote a number of options for the future of Torrington Lodge Car Park.}}
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{{source|Claygate Courier, October 2024 issue, page 5}}
== March 2024 ==
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=== The price of parking ===
== See also ==
:'''iii) EBC Car Parks'''
* [[Hare Lane]]
:It was noted that the minimum charge for Claygate’s car parks was now 90p for one hour. Cllr Sugden noted that the effect of abolishing the 30-minute free parking would lead to cars parking in the roads and that the abolition did not support local businesses. {{CPC-mtg-ref|PARISH COUNCIL HT&E meeting 11-FEB-21}}
== Historical Notes ==
=== Planning Issues ===
{{Farms of Claygate}}
{{CPC-action|AP91| Cllr Herbert to send details to the Clerk of EBC [[Torrington Lodge Car Park]] residential development proposal to circulate & Clerk to add to 3/12 Planning Committee agenda. '''DONE'''. {{CPC-mtg-ref|PARISH COUNCIL meeting 14-JAN-21}}
=== Knightley Farm  ===
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{{CPC-minute|14|Torrington Lodge Car Park - EBC Potential Residential Housing Project.|No updates at present. {{CPC-mtg-ref|PARISH COUNCIL planning meeting 5-JAN-21}}}} 
'''Knightley Farm''' was located behind Torrington Lodge, [[Hare Lane]], and extended over the area which today includes the car park, the western part of [[Derwent Close]], and northwards parallel with Hare Lane to [[Torrington Close]].  
{{CPC-minute|14|Torrington Lodge Car Park - EBC Potential Residential Housing Project|Nothing new to report. {{CPC-mtg-ref|PARISH COUNCIL planning meeting 28-JAN-21}}}}
:The committee noted that EBC planned to increase Village car parking charges in car parks from a minimum 40p for 30 minutes to a minimum of 1 hour for 90p. There will no longer be a 30-minute option. This will affect [[Torrington Lodge Car Park]] and [[Hare Lane Car Park]] by Champions. {{CPC-mtg-ref|PARISH COUNCIL H&TE meeting 10-DEC-20}}


{{CPC-minute|14|Torrington Lodge Car Park &mdash; EBC Potential Residential Housing Project|The Clerk circulated the minutes of the EBC Cabinet meeting on the 18th November prior to the meeting. They state that there are a number of potential projects, where additional residential developments could be considered on council owned land. Work has been undertaken by parking services, pre-covid, to look at the underperforming car parks in the borough. There are a number of carparks that are under-performing but not all of them are necessarily suitable for residential development. There are several car parks which are worth focussing on in the short-term to establish whether residential development is a possibility, a couple of the carparks already have high level capacity studies done, albeit they are a few years old. Torrington Lodge Car Park is situated in the centre of Claygate with good access to facilities and transport options. A high-level capacity was done in March 2016 which demonstrated several options for the land. One option showed 15 houses could be developed, a second option demonstrated 16 flats could be developed. As the capacity study was undertaken over four years ago, the site potentially could hold additional units. CPC will continue to keep an eye on any developments made by EBC on this subject. {{CPC-mtg-ref|PARISH COUNCIL planning meeting 3-DEC-20}}
The farm had piggeries and two cow sheds. The acreage was rather small &mdash; not much more than six acres &mdash; enough for pig-rearing but hardly sufficient for cows; the latter were probably grazed elsewhere. R] Adams is recorded as being the tenant farmer in 1915, paying a yearly rent of £25. In 1920 it was sold by Edwin Napper for £1,100 to Charles Boitel-Gill, the then owner of Torrington Lodge.
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{{CPC-minute|96/11|To note the minutes of the Planning Committee and decide any action arising.|The Chairman of the Planning Committee raised that [[Torrington Lodge Car Park]] had been selected as a possible EBC residential housing project with the possibility of 15 houses or 16 flats being put on the land. {{CPC-mtg-ref|PARISH COUNCIL meeting 19-NOV-20}}
=== Sources ===
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* {{Peebles}}
 
[[category:Farms of Claygate]]
{{CPC-minute|62/9|To receive the report from the Parish Clerk and decide any action arising|... It was noted that the Covid-19 mobile testing unit at [[Torrington Lodge Car Park]] would remain in place from Sunday 6-19th September 2020. It is there due to Public Health England requesting a mobile testing unit to be put in place due to the increase in Covid-19 cases within the borough. {{CPC-mtg-ref|PARISH COUNCIL meeting 17-SEP-20}}
* ''Claygate Life &mdash; 2004 issue 4''
}}
== Further Information ==
=== Environmental issues ===
* [[Torrington Lodge Car Park in previous years]]
{{CPC-action|AP23|Trimming shrubs [[Torrington Lodge Car Park]] > Clerk to notify PQ that a tidy up of the entrance way into the car park is required as a priority. '''DONE'''. {{CPC-mtg-ref|PARISH COUNCIL HT&E meeting 3-SEP-20}}
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== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Hare Lane]]
* [[Claygate: The Way Forward]]

Latest revision as of 17:01, 25 October 2025

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October 2025

During a recent update with Elmbridge Borough Council, we learned about the consultation regarding Torrington Lodge car park. Architects are exploring four development scenarios: a gym and residential; shops and residential; health centre and residential; housing only. We look forward to collaborating with Elmbridge on this consultation. The Claygate Vision and Action Plan consultation statement, conducted this year, has faced delays but is expected to be presented to the Elmbridge Cabinet and published by the end of the year.

source: Claygate Courier, October 2025 issue, page 2

September 2025

To discuss if there are any further updates on the Torrington Lodge Consultation.
Cllr Bray noted that, at the last EBC/CPC liaison meeting, Suzanne Parkes had told us that — following the tender process of which we had been informed some time ago — EBC had appointed an architect to examine the following four options:
100% Residential
Gym and Residential
Shopping and Residential
Health Centre and Residential

The architects are due to present their report to EBC in mid-October. After EBC have digested it, they will forward us a copy for our review and comments. We will be looking to obtain the report in October which we will then review and respond to with our comments. To be discussed further at the November meeting.

ACTION – Clerk to add the Torrington Lodge Car Park update to the agenda of the November meeting. C㉕060

(extract from Parish Council meeting, 25th September 2025, item 21)

May 2025

C㉕037 22-MAY-25 To add to June agenda discussion of Claygate Vision and TLCP future Clerk There was no June meeting.
It was due to be discussed privately by cllrs at the July meeting.

February 2025

Torrington [Lodge Car Park] Consultations
Dawn Crewe (DC) confirmed that from the four car parks that were being considered for possible development opportunities, only Torrington [Lodge] was proceeding at this time. She also said that a decision would need to be made this year, otherwise this would be on hold until the Unitary councils come into effect.
(extract from EBC-CPC liaison meeting, 3rd February 2025, item 5)

December 2024

To discuss a scenario for the consultation on Torrington Lodge Car Park (TLCP) which has been suggested.
Cllr Holt spoke with the owners of the chemist on The Parade while discussing the bench. He is interested in acquiring larger premises. He asked about the EBC consultation re TLCP. He made a suggestion that a chemist could be incorporated into a health hub somewhat like that at Cobham Day Centre. The doctors' surgery was also keen on this idea, he said, and had asked if he would be interested in representing the parties. This would not involve moving the surgery but operating daycare services from this site. This is something to consider in 2025 during the EBC consultation on TLCP but would need backing from the Integrated Care Board.
(extract from Parish Council meeting, 5th December 2024, item 23)

October 2024

To receive an update from Claygate The Way Forward (CTWF) on the meeting held on 25th September.
Cllr Bray noted that the main point of this meeting was that Dawn Crewe had undertaken to launch a piece of work—to be distinct and separate from the current “New Vision for Claygate” work—to develop and promote a number of options for the future of Torrington Lodge Car Park.
(extract from Parish Council meeting, 10th October 2024, item 10)

So, what is the way forward with Torrington Lodge Car Park?

EBC and CPC agreed that a positive way forward would be to look at a set of mixed-use options for the car park and do the financial and qualitative assessment to explore what could realistically be delivered. This would then be shared with the community and views sought on the options which might work. This is similar to the work which is currently being carried out for Elm Grove in Walton. Senior officers at EBC are committed to working with Claygate residents and CPC to bring it to a positive conclusion.

We look forward to working with EBC and consulting widely with the Claygate community on this topic and will continue to report back to residents as the work on this and other projects and initiatives progress.

source: Claygate Courier, October 2024 issue, page 5

March 2024

The challenge of the Marks and Spencer proposal has dominated: a village meeting was organised by Claygate Parish Council, and Elmbridge Borough Council was encouraged to work more closely with both the Parish Council and Claygate Village Association (CVA) to define a way forward and vision for Claygate. The Parish Council fielded hundreds of emails, consulted with Elmbridge, and challenged all parties concerned. The CVA played a significant role and used its considerable people resources to produce an excellent website and galvanise the help of a large number of residents.

The Parish Council, the CVA, and residents, working together, secured a consultation which kicks off in the spring, with a CVA survey, announced in this newsletter (Pages 1 and 2), informing that discussion. Parish Councillors are collaborating with stakeholders to ensure that it has a positive outcome for Claygate.

source: Claygate Courier, March 2024 issue, page 4

CAR PARK SHOCK SPARKS CO-OPERATION

The proposal for a supermarket on the site of the Torrington Lodge car park has been the most contentious planning issue in our village for a very long time. Claygate Parish Council began monitoring events in November 2022, although at that time Elmbridge Borough Council said it would reveal only the barest outline until commercial confidentially allowed.

Real information only came to light last summer and it quickly became clear that many residents were not happy. The Parish Council held a public meeting on July 21, at which the extent of unhappiness became clear: the Council responded to more than 500 letters of objection and also heavily lobbied Elmbridge Borough Council, asking several times for proper consultation. At the same time, a “Claygate Can Do Better” campaign was created.

In the face of this opposition, Elmbridge said at its Cabinet meeting on September 27 that it had decided to withdraw from negotiations with Kilo Properties Ltd and Marks and Spencer plc. It further undertook to engage in a broad consultation with Claygate residents. Since then, “Claygate Can Do Better” has become “Claygate: The Way Forward” and has also been engaging with Elmbridge. Claygate Parish Council undertook at its meeting last November to work with Claygate: The Way Forward. Both organisations are waiting for the Borough Council to bring forward the details of its proposed consultation.

source: Claygate Courier, March 2024 issue, page 3

See also

Historical Notes

Claygate had several farms in centuries past. There was Beazley Farm by Littleworth Common which ceased milk production in the 1950s in favour of horses; Slough Farm had a dairy herd of Red Poll Cattle and later pigs but later had horses; Manor Farm had a dairy herd of prize-winning jersey cows but later had horses; Elm Farm had dairy cows and chickens and sold delicious cream, but later had a plant nursery business and horse-feed shop; Barwell Court had a big herd of Friesian milking cows and grew cereals, but later kept horses; Horringdon Farm had one of the last big dairy herds of Red Poll cattle and grew cereals and potatoes, but but later horses and grazes young cattle for Loseberry Farm; Loseberry Farm no longer keeps a dairy herd; it later kept a house cow and young stock for the dairy herd at Stoke D'Abernon.

Knightley Farm

Knightley Farm was located behind Torrington Lodge, Hare Lane, and extended over the area which today includes the car park, the western part of Derwent Close, and northwards parallel with Hare Lane to Torrington Close.

The farm had piggeries and two cow sheds. The acreage was rather small — not much more than six acres — enough for pig-rearing but hardly sufficient for cows; the latter were probably grazed elsewhere. R] Adams is recorded as being the tenant farmer in 1915, paying a yearly rent of £25. In 1920 it was sold by Edwin Napper for £1,100 to Charles Boitel-Gill, the then owner of Torrington Lodge.

Sources

  • Peebles, Malcolm (1983). The Claygate Book. (Millennium edition). Stockbridge: by BAS Printers Ltd. ISBN 0-9508978-0-9.
  • Many thanks also for the photos, many supplied by Terry Gale, from the Claygate Local History Facebook group.
  • Claygate Life — 2004 issue 4

Further Information

See also

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