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=== Introduction{{su|( | === Introduction{{su|(S)}} === | ||
* Rousseau believed man inherently good, uncorrupted by the unnaturalness of society, with on need of possessions, sympathetic and compassionate towards others, in a non-discriminating way. | * Rousseau believed man inherently good, uncorrupted by the unnaturalness of society, with on need of possessions, sympathetic and compassionate towards others, in a non-discriminating way. | ||
** No place for blame, criticism or hurt feelings. | ** No place for blame, criticism or hurt feelings. | ||
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=== Discussion === | === Discussion === | ||
==== Rousseau and the Social Contract==== | ==== Rousseau and the Social Contract==== | ||
* There is a contradiction between Rousseau's belief in education but not in reason.{{su|( | * There is a contradiction between Rousseau's belief in education but not in reason.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* Some of Rousseau's ideas would not work in a large community.{{su|( | * Some of Rousseau's ideas would not work in a large community.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* Rousseau aimed his theories at the smaller community. We must volunteer to be bound by the laws. People's assemblies work well.{{su|( | * Rousseau aimed his theories at the smaller community. We must volunteer to be bound by the laws. People's assemblies work well.{{su|(M)}} | ||
* Rousseau's background was in Geneva. The cantons of Switzerland, such as Vaud, are known for having lots of plebiscites. Visitors are confronted by numerous "Do not…" signs regarding lawn mowing and laundry.{{su|( | * Rousseau's background was in Geneva. The cantons of Switzerland, such as Vaud, are known for having lots of plebiscites. Visitors are confronted by numerous "Do not…" signs regarding lawn mowing and laundry.{{su|(H)}} | ||
* {{sc|VR}} prefers Rousseau's to Hobbes's philosophy insofar as Hobbes gives citizens a once-only opportunity to sign up to the laws of the land, whereas Rousseau offers scope for change, if one's inner being disagrees. One can be too rational if one takes a utilitarian approach to life. In magistracy, the deterministic connection between offence and available punishments doesn't always work.{{su|( | * {{sc|VR}} prefers Rousseau's to Hobbes's philosophy insofar as Hobbes gives citizens a once-only opportunity to sign up to the laws of the land, whereas Rousseau offers scope for change, if one's inner being disagrees. One can be too rational if one takes a utilitarian approach to life. In magistracy, the deterministic connection between offence and available punishments doesn't always work.{{su|(V)}} | ||
* When one takes a consequentialist approach, it is often very hard to evaluate all the possible consequences.{{su|( | * When one takes a consequentialist approach, it is often very hard to evaluate all the possible consequences.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* Most of the philosophers we have studied have focussed on men. Rousseau's analysis seems more feminine.{{su|( | * Most of the philosophers we have studied have focussed on men. Rousseau's analysis seems more feminine.{{su|(M)}} | ||
* Rousseau's personal life was bizarre—for example, giving away his five children at birth. ''Emile'' takes no account of women.{{su|( | * Rousseau's personal life was bizarre—for example, giving away his five children at birth. ''Emile'' takes no account of women.{{su|(L)}} | ||
** Rousseau had a ''tabula rasa'' to work with, in the form of his children, but rejected it.{{su|( | ** Rousseau had a ''tabula rasa'' to work with, in the form of his children, but rejected it.{{su|(S)}} | ||
** Yet he thought wet nurses a very bad idea.{{su|( | ** Yet he thought wet nurses a very bad idea.{{su|(D)}} | ||
* Harold Wilson in 1963 talked about a new social contract in the form of his ''White Heat'' speech. But by 1966 he had become corrupted by too much power.{{su|( | * Harold Wilson in 1963 talked about a new social contract in the form of his ''White Heat'' speech. But by 1966 he had become corrupted by too much power.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* Citizenship classes in the UK are a helpful way to educate and some buy-in to the constitution of the UK.{{su|( | * Citizenship classes in the UK are a helpful way to educate and some buy-in to the constitution of the UK.{{su|(V)}} | ||
* Citizens assemblies are very much a Rousseau-like concept.{{su|( | * Citizens assemblies are very much a Rousseau-like concept.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* The jury system is a good example of randomly chosen people doing their best to come to the right verdict.{{su|( | * The jury system is a good example of randomly chosen people doing their best to come to the right verdict.{{su|(M)}} | ||
* In some countries, immigrants have to sign a citizenship sgreement to complete the process.{{su|( | * In some countries, immigrants have to sign a citizenship sgreement to complete the process.{{su|(V)}} | ||
* Contracts for volunteers at the local level are really important to build trust.{{su|( | * Contracts for volunteers at the local level are really important to build trust.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* But what if you don't like the system of government? Is it OK to say No?{{su|( | * But what if you don't like the system of government? Is it OK to say No?{{su|(J)}} | ||
* One needs trusted deliberation, a habit of discussion.{{su|( | * One needs trusted deliberation, a habit of discussion.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* In {{sc|RT}}'s experience of Canada's creation of a nickel mine in Labrador, extensive consultation with Inuit elders was key to a successful implementation, which resulted in a go-ahead decision with strong restrictions.{{su|( | * In {{sc|RT}}'s experience of Canada's creation of a nickel mine in Labrador, extensive consultation with Inuit elders was key to a successful implementation, which resulted in a go-ahead decision with strong restrictions.{{su|(R)}} | ||
* Recent guidance to judges, targeted at ''Extinction Rebellion'', says that defendants should not be permitted to state their motivations for their actions.{{su|( | * Recent guidance to judges, targeted at ''Extinction Rebellion'', says that defendants should not be permitted to state their motivations for their actions.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* Democracy was supposed to solve the problem of how to change society without resorting to violence and war.{{su|( | * Democracy was supposed to solve the problem of how to change society without resorting to violence and war.{{su|(A)}} | ||
* Civil disobedience led by women may be the only way to solve Iran's current problems.{{su|( | * Civil disobedience led by women may be the only way to solve Iran's current problems.{{su|(L)}} | ||
==== Russia ==== | ==== Russia ==== | ||
* Why do Russians vote for Putin? Do they crave the structure he confers?{{su|( | * Why do Russians vote for Putin? Do they crave the structure he confers?{{su|(A)}} | ||
* Putin is king, but he is horribly devious because he creates the danger.{{su|( | * Putin is king, but he is horribly devious because he creates the danger.{{su|(L)}} | ||
* It is important that dissent is allowed. Would we have the courage to object in Russia?{{su|( | * It is important that dissent is allowed. Would we have the courage to object in Russia?{{su|(V)}} | ||
* Why do we end up with demagogues, given all the checks and balances in our system?{{su|( | * Why do we end up with demagogues, given all the checks and balances in our system?{{su|(R)}} | ||
* Their currency is fear—they identify a group or an external threat to be feared.{{su|( | * Their currency is fear—they identify a group or an external threat to be feared.{{su|(S)}} | ||
* It may be that Russia employs an AI version of Putin after he has died, to deceive us into believing he still rules.{{su|( | * It may be that Russia employs an AI version of Putin after he has died, to deceive us into believing he still rules.{{su|(J)}} | ||
* Putin wants to rebuild the Russia of Catherine the Great. Many of the people of Russia were much better off under communism.{{su|( | * Putin wants to rebuild the Russia of Catherine the Great. Many of the people of Russia were much better off under communism.{{su|(M)}} | ||
* It was a mistake to award Russia the veto previously enjoyed by the USSR on the UN Security Council.{{su|( | * It was a mistake to award Russia the veto previously enjoyed by the USSR on the UN Security Council.{{su|(H)}} | ||
=== Other topics touched on === | === Other topics touched on === | ||
* Brain differences between men and women.{{su|( | * Brain differences between men and women.{{su|(H)}} | ||
* Women in Probus.{{su|(Ray)}} | * Women in Probus.{{su|(Ray)}} | ||
* Men-only book groups.{{su|( | * Men-only book groups.{{su|(H)}} | ||
* Variation in reproduction rates by month.{{su|( | * Variation in reproduction rates by month.{{su|(A)}} | ||
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Latest revision as of 11:50, 7 March 2025
The Wells School of Philosophy
Roll Call![]() 20th February 2024, Hare Lane, 1000-1200 hrs: Tutors: Linda (L), Steve (S) Pupils: John (J), Patricia (P), Alexis (A), David (D), Margie (M), Viki (V), Howard (H), Ray (R) Scribe: Gavin (G) Apologies: Frank (FB), Colin (C) The homework setWe continue our discussions on Enlightenment philosophers with a focus on Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Born in 1712, within a year of David Hume, and almost 100 years before Mill, Rousseau can nevertheless be considered in some ways more of a romanticist than an Enlightenment figure, given his views on the need to address what he saw as the fractured relationship between humankind and nature, as a consequence of the effect of Enlightenment emphasis on the importance of intellect and reason. He had views on how a state best organises politically which continue to inspire today. Rousseau's basic belief was that all human ills arise from society, in particular how people are educated, as society 'enchains' us. He saw people as 'free', happy and healthy, in their state of nature; as 'noble savages', born with an inherent sentiment of pity, spontaneously expressing sympathy with other human beings. Very different from the Hobbesian view on the state of nature of homo sapiens. Also quite different was Rousseau's view of how the state should be organised politically to 'redeem' people, and the state. He used Geneva, his place of birth, modelled on ancient Sparta, to exemplify his ideas. His basic idea was that society should be modelled as a single organic unity with a 'single will', which reflected the wills of individuals with society. This societal will he referred to as the general will, which prioritised the common good as the driving force for decision-making; within the context of a social contract. Both the general will and the social contract are hugely important ideas which have influenced political thinking since the Enlightenment, and still do, being even more crucial to consider in politics today as populist governments become more numerous and powerful. But maybe Rousseau was not quite the political softie as he has been portrayed. His notion that in abiding by the law you are 'forced to be free' is maybe more than a touch Hobbesian. Some philosophers consider his views authoritarian rather than him being a champion of deliberative philosophy. He was certainly a controversialist who had a big falling-out with David Hume. He had novels and other works banned, notably his education theory-based Emile. What can't be doubted is his ability to spark debate. There is a very good In Our Time on Rousseau and the social contract which we can recommend. There is another IOT on Rousseau's Emile and his theory of education which you also might want listen to. There is a useful piece on his concept of the General Will, and how it is applied, in Britannica. Perhaps you would care to chew over the the following questions:
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